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Sunday, August 31, 2008

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After many years in the shadows, I feel it's finally time for me to come forward. Well, at least anonymously, for now.

I grew up a very religious person. My folks, while Christian, did not force this deep religiosity onto me. While several members of my family were serious, long term, involved church-goers, I wouldn't consider them religious fanatics; they were just good people trying to do what they thought was right. And to their credit they didn't try to turn me into a "Jesus freak", or anything like that.

In fact, I was more religious than the rest of my family for a number of years. I seriously considered going to Seminary so I could learn more about God and help preach His word as a pastor. I took what was said in Sunday school and church very seriously. I used to think, for example, that a lot of popular music was sinful because more often than not, the writer was "coveting" someone, which was clearly impure and against the Ten Commandments. When I mentioned that one time to my family, my folks thought that was a little extreme. I agreed to disagree.

In church, I could sometimes feel God's presence on me. Sort of a tingling feeling of well-being washing all over me. I tried very hard to be at one with my Savior, some weeks I felt closer than others. But I knew God was there, looking down on us.

I really didn't talk much about my religious beliefs to anyone. Part of it was that I was a very shy, quiet kid when I growing up. But also I think a part of me didn't believe in forcing my beliefs onto other people. This is part of the reason why I didn't make the decision to become a pastor. I guess I thought people would eventually "find the way" on their own, with God's help of course. Or that by being a good Christian setting a good example, others would become good people, too, and that would lead them to Christ. Once people knew about how much God loved them, about what a wondrous life heaven promised, and realized that non-believers risked a life of eternal damnation, it seemed obvious that people would want to choose to believe in God. It was something they had to decide for themselves.

But then came the doubts. The first serious doubt I had was when I found out for sure that Santa didn't exist. I had suspected something was up for a long time (the handwriting of Santa and the Easter Bunny did suspiciously look like my parents'... ). I think in a way I put Santa and Jesus in the same category. Both were these magical beings who kept track of when you were good or bad, and if you were good they rewarded you. So when I was out and out told one time to "grow up" about Santa, it kind of scared me. And I almost immediately thought about God: if Santa wasn't real, was God pretend, too? I convinced myself that he couldn't be: I could "feel" his presence, and all those people who went to church every week certainly knew he existed, too. So I decided that Santa was just make-believe for children, but God was the real deal.

The next doubts came with contemplating some of God's punishments: specifically, eternal damnation. Do non-believers who never heard of Jesus go to hell, too? What about babies who died before they could be baptized: did God send them to hell? I don't think I was the one who posed these questions, although I can't remember where I heard them. But they seemed like valid points. I figured there must be some misunderstanding about what God did in these cases, or some loophole God had to save people like this. I believed that hell did exist, but knew that believers didn't go there. I figured I would figure out the details some day. The more I learned about my faith, the more I would understand.

But the thing that eventually started weighing on me the most was something that I later found out bothers a lot of people: the question of suffering. If "God is love", why does God make us suffer? I had two family members who both got cancer within a short time of each other, and eventually they would both die of it. I could certainly think of reasons why God would punish them (after all, everyone is "by nature sinful and unclean", as we recited in church often), but why make them suffer? What made them more deserving of cancer than anyone else? Why not just forgive them? Isn't that why Jesus died on the cross for us? It simply didn't make sense.

I don't remember a specific day, but eventually it became clear to me that I couldn't believe in a God who made my family suffer, and made other people's families suffer. If someone is all powerful, they should use that power to stop suffering, not inflict it. I did have several periods of "relapse": trying to read the Bible, read about other religions and seeing if there was a way I could reconcile my doubts and believe in a god (any god) again. I was very afraid of going to hell for my disbelief, but the more I looked, the more questions came up, and the less I could imagine truly believing again.

This was a very private process. I can probably count on one hand the number of people I know whom I've even hinted that I might not be 100% true blue Christian anymore. I found some solace in the Internet. I saw just how many people out there who, like me, thought the whole thing didn't make sense. I started visiting a few sites, especially The Skeptics Annotated Bible (I felt if I ever got "caught" by someone, I could just say I had a few questions that I was looking up in the Bible, or that I wanted to see what the "other side" was saying about religion. "Skeptic" was a lot safer than "unbeliever".)

Then I eventually started posting on some sites, anonymously of course. In some sense it was therapeutic to be able to read and talk about things that I was really interested in, and to discuss more issues having to do with religion and spirituality. I could not talk about these things with my family and friends, so the Internet helped me discover more what I truly believed on some issues I had never dared to explore, or which I had only thought of briefly. And the best thing was, with all the information available the Internet, it wasn't just beliefs or feelings: I could look up things that confirmed what I felt, that challenged things I believed, or that helped me make up my mind. I had blindly accepted my religious beliefs for pretty my much entire childhood; I wasn't going to blindly disbelieve in my adulthood.

And that's part of why I'm posting this blog. I have probably read nearly all of the Bible, much of the Book of Mormon, and a smattering of other religious texts. I've considered, read, and/or posted on various sites about a number of the big questions about religion, and some of the smaller ones. But it's been with starts and stops, and not a thorough examination.

What I'm hoping to do is go in-depth and look at religious dogma, religious texts, and religiosity in its various forms, and examine it. I hope to find the good, the bad, and the ugly. Since I was raised Christian and I now see so much that is horrible in this book I once thought I believed in, the Bible will be my starting point. I'm sure as national, world, and personal events merit, there will be plenty of detours along the road that I'll talk about. But I'm planning to re-read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, note my reactions and investigate some points more, before passing on to other religions and belief systems.

So many people (I used to be among them) think they believe 100% in the Bible and its God, without even having read the whole book! I think they would be thoroughly shocked at some of the things in there, just like I am. My story is not unique, and I know other blogs and sites have examined the Bible and religion from a skeptic/freethinking/atheist point of view. I'm not trying to re-do or out-do what has already done. This is just a continuation of my personal journey. And I welcome any and all comments as I go on this journey, from non-believers, believers, and anyone in between. I would not be where I am today if it wasn't for people openly and honestly discussing their beliefs with me on the Web.

So much time, money, tears, and blood is spent on religion. People trying to please an imaginary God who does not exist. This greatly saddens me, and I can only hope that one day people can break away from religion like I have done. Although I'm still not comfortable openly being an atheist, I think this blog will eventually lead me to being able to confess this to the people I know and love, and to be able to confidently say why. Some day, when some family member, friend, or acquaintance talks to me about God doing this or that, I won't be able to quietly pretend anymore. I'll have to say that I don't believe in God.

They will ask me, "Are you an atheist?" And my answer will be, "I am".
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Don't blame God for suffering!
NO! God would never make us suffer. Instead he weeps when we do!
Remember that there is a Satan.
He is the one who makes the hurt and suffering!

It's okay to ask why God allows suffering though!
The prophet Habakkuk asked Jehovah: "Why is it that you make me see what is hurtful, and you keep looking upon mere trouble? And why are despoiling and violence in front of me, and why does quarreling occur, and why is strife carried?" Habakkuk 1:3.
And Jehovah did not scold Habakkuk for asking such a question.

A lot of religions teach that when a child dies or anyone dies, it is God's will. That he wanted to have them with him up in heaven. This teaching is wrong! Don't believe it!
In Job 34:10 it explains: "Far be it from the true God to act wickedly, and the Almighty to act unjustly!"

Unfortunately, Jehovah is not the real ruler of this world, at this moment. In 1 John 5:19 it says: "The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one."
Right now Satan is "misleading the entire inhabited earth". Revelation 12:9.
Satan is everything bad, and he is influencing this world. Therefore there is so much suffering.

Remember when Satan tempted Adam and Eve into eating the fruit, Satan did not question Jehovah's power, instead he questioned his right to rule, or his sovereignty. He called Jehovah a liar who withholds good from his followers. Satan charged Jehovah as a bad ruler.

Therefore, Adam and Eve rebelled against Jehovah by eating the fruit.
By doing this, it was as if saying they did not need Jehovah as a ruler. They wanted to decide what was good and what was wrong on their own!

What God is allowing, he is allowing the Devil to state his case.
He is letting the Devil prove he is a better ruler than God.

Consider this example.
You are a teacher and your teaching how to solve a math problem.
Then all of a sudden this one student disagrees.
And he has some friends who think he can solve it better than you can too.
What would you do?
Would you kick him and his friends out of the classroom?
If you did, what would this cause the other kids to think?
Wouldn't it make them think that maybe those other kids were right, and you were scared for them to be better than you at solving this math problem.
It could make them lose respect for you.
But what if instead you let them state their case.
What if you let that student go up in the board and let him show you how he would solve it.
When he proves that he is wrong, the kids will see that you are their only rightful teacher.

Well Jehovah is doing the same thing.
He is letting the Devil state his case.
Only we can see with all the suffering in the world that the Devil is failing miserably.
We can see just how an awful ruler he is.

But why so long???
Well let's think back to the teacher example.
You would not stop the student from presenting his case and you will not help him solve it either.
He has to do it on his own.
Also, He is giving the Devil his time, because He is being Patient.
By being Patient, he is letting the world learn about his word.
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I didn't see your reply here earlier, sorry. I'm not sure why I didn't get a notify message for this.

About the fruit, someone pointed out in a discussion on another site, Adam and Eve didn't know the difference between good and evil yet. It was impossible for them to know it was bad to listen to Satan or eat the fruit. Why should they be punished for something they couldn't have known was bad? This seems unfair.

For the teacher analogy you gave, I understand what you're trying to say. Your beliefs as a Jehovah's Witness are different than most Christians. But I understand what you mean, and I do have a response to it.

In your analogy, you're assuming a student would have to teach the class. But if it's something really important (like eternal life vs. death) an expert should be the one teaching. Let's compare God to a Spanish teacher and Satan to a French teacher. If I'm the Spanish teacher and I'm in charge of a Spanish class, should I invite a French teacher in to teach my students? If I let a French teacher instruct them and then expect my students to take a test in Spanish for the final exam, whose fault is if any students fail?

I would argue that it's my fault. I decided to let the French teacher teach my students, when I could have just taught them myself. It's not the French teacher's fault, because I'm the one who put him in charge of the Spanish class and could have stopped him at any time. It's not the students' fault they failed, for why should they be held responsible for the fact that I let someone teach them French? I only have myself to blame.

If God put Satan in charge of the Earth and he's messing things up, all God has to do is stop him and then teach us his ways himself. Otherwise, he should not punish people with death, or withhold eternal life from them, just because they didn't know any better. Patience can often be a virtue, but can be completely misplaced in other cases...
Posted 12/19/2008 3:24 PM by iamtheblog - recommend - reply

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oh no need to apologize!

Well as for my teacher analogy, maybe I didn't explain well enough.

Okay let's keep using teachers. Both the Spanish and the French one you spoke about.

The Spanish Teacher is trying to teach her class like she usually does, but one day the French teacher snoops in and sees how the Spanish Teacher is teaching. He isn't content about the way the Spanish teacher is educating her class. He says, in front of her whole class, "You're doing it ALL wrong! That is not the way you teach Spanish! That is not the proper way to lead the class!"
The Spanish teacher is surprised because she knows how to do this very well. But her students are waiting to see what she is going to do next. Well she let's the French teacher conduct the class for a while. He is challenging her right? Not only did he challenge her, but he challenged her in front of her students.
Now she has two options.
1. Act offended and kick him out of the class or
2. Let him lead the class, for a while.

Now the first one will probably make the French teacher think that the only reason why she kicked him out was because she knew he was a better teacher than herself. He might even try to talk to her students after class and get them to join his class. The students might loose their respect for the teacher because, well, what is she afraid off?

The second option will let him lead the class for a while. Let's see how someone who specializes in French teaches Spanish. She is right there in the class with him. He will no doubt fail miserably in the subject. Some will keep following him, while others will go to the real Spanish teacher and tell her that in no doubt they believe in her now. But there are still some who want to follow the French Teacher. Well the Spanish Teacher is patient. She will wait until they all come to her. And support those who have decided to follow her.

As for the Adam and Eve.
That analogy about them not knowing write or wrong, well it doesn't give Adam and Eve much credit.
They were smart people.
Adam, and you probably know this, was a scientist! He had to examine all the animals and name them.
Also, they we know they had free will.
So it's not really that they new good or bad, they knew that.
More like they were innocent of sinful thoughts.
But I haven't read the link yet, I'll make sure to read it and I'll look up some more research on this subject.
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I hope you had a good Christmas. I was away for the holiday with family (I'll be posting on this soon).

Thank you for explaining your analogy more. The problem as I see it though is that you are limiting the Spanish teacher to two options, and these options aren't the only two ways of dealing with the situation.

The first option you gave is for the Spanish teacher to act offended and kick the French teacher out. There is no need to act offended. It is possible for the Spanish teacher to simply say "This is a French teacher, not a Spanish teacher. What he will teach you will not be helpful and will actually hurt you. Because of this, I am not going to let him teach you. I guarantee you that if you stay in my class, you will learn more." There may be a few doubters, but most of the students will want to stick with the teacher they already have unless there was a good reason not to.

The same could be said with the situation between God and the Devil. If God simply kicked the Devil out of the picture and explained to people that God's way is better, then most people would simply follow God. How many Satan worshipers are there in the world? Very few, even though God is letting him tempt us. Do you think this number would increase if God simply eliminated the Devil? I don't see why it would. Without someone to tempt us, wouldn't humanity be better off?

The second option was to let the French teacher lead the class for a little while. I'd like to propose a different option related to this one, which would clearly be superior. The Spanish teacher challenges the French teacher to a teach-off. She lets the French teacher teach one hour, but then the Spanish teacher teaches the next hour to refute what the French teacher has taught them. After two hours, students can then compare the Spanish and French teachers and pick the best one. If they like the Spanish teacher better, the French teacher is kicked out and must never return. If they like the French teacher better, then the Spanish teacher will leave and the French teacher will teach the students French from now on.

With the situation between God and the Devil, certainly God, the omnipotent creator of the universe, would be able to convince us of his ways better than the Devil could. God would certainly win, and the Devil would be around no more. You might think this is a confirmation of what you believe: that God will soon come back to refute the Devil, just as the Spanish teacher would refute the French teacher. However, you believe that once God comes back, he will punish those who followed the Devil, even though God was the one who let the Devil in! This would be like the Spanish teacher failing some students even though it was the Spanish teacher who let the French teacher into the class. Why should the students be punished for what the teacher has decided? It is the Spanish teacher who is to blame. God is the one who let the Devil into the world. If some, or many, fall, it is God's fauly. Why should people suffer for what God has decided?

This is unfair, in my opinion.
Posted 12/29/2008 11:28 AM by iamtheblog - recommend - reply

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Thanks I hope you have enjoy your holidays as well!

"How many Satan worshipers are there in the world? Very few, even though God is letting him tempt us."
I think it's the other way around! How many aren't there!?
I'm not talking about having a temple for him, or reading the "devil's bible". I'm talking about how many decide to partake in sinful actions such as fornication, smoking, getting drunk, drugs, following false religions and gods. All those are following a path the devil has made.

"The same could be said with the situation between God and the Devil. If God simply kicked the Devil out of the picture and explained to people that God's way is better, then most people would simply follow God."
I wish this could be the case, but it isn't.See now the students have this thought scratching in the back of their head. And like you said some have doubt planted in their minds. I'm afraid that a simple explanation wont convince them that God is the better ruler. They are going to need evidence. And that is what God is giving them. So in the end there wont be a single seed of doubt in them.

God is letting the devil tempt us, but also God has given us the will power to not partake in them! He has given us the choice and power to make our own decisions. We can be more powerful than the devil in that way. Just by saying no to him. We can say no to him! Jehovah never asks more than what we can do!
Deuteronomy 30:11-14: (I'm paraphrasing) It is not too difficult for you. The word is very near you that you may do it.
Psalm 103:14: He knows and remembers we are dust.

I personally don't like that scripture of Psalm. But from the book Genesis we learn that he made Adam from it. And in the end, when we die, that is what we become, dust.

Humanity would be better off without the devil tempting us, but it is necessary for us to have to suffer in his rulership because that way when God's kingdom does come, no one is his right mind would want to challenge his sovereignty again.

As to your second option, isn't that what is happening?? God ruled for a while, until the Devil showed up, and now it is the Devil's turn. Unfortunately, we are living in the time of the Devil's turn.
But why so long????!!!!
Well to God days are the same to years for us and, again, he is having patience, until it is his turn. He will have his turn for 1,000 years and we will become perfect and then the devil will come out again for a short period of time.
That is the face off.

"even though God was the one who let the Devil in!"
Was it God who let the devil in? Or was it Adam and Eve? God warned them against eating the fruit, yet Adam and Eve disobeyed him. In the book of Genesis it even says, when Jehovah is speaking to Adam
Genesis 3:17 "cursed is the ground on your account."
Adam and Eve had the will power to stop and obey Jehovah but they decided not too. They were the students and had to choose between God and the Devil. They decided to listen to the devil. They chose his rulership instead of God's. So now, unfortunately we have to live in a world governed by the devil.

God has a gift to those who decide to follow him, everlasting life.
We know we are going to die, but he is giving us this hope. Unfortunately, if you refuse Him you refuse the everlasting life. So it is not like punishing, because you have the power to choose. You are the one who makes that choice. Like I said before, it is not impossible for us to resist sin. We have the power.
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I don't think we'll ever agree on this, we'll probably have to agree to disagree. I'll just make a couple more quick replies to your post.

You said: I'm talking about how many decide to partake in sinful actions such as fornication, smoking, getting drunk, drugs, following false religions and gods.

Everyone sins. If this is your definition, then everyone is a follower of Satan, including you. Even from a Christian perspective, I think there is a distinction between sinner and devil worshiper. There are very few people who actively worship Satan or try to please him, most people just do things which are bad sometimes (and which you would consider sins).

Was it God who let the devil in? Or was it Adam and Eve?

Adam and Eve didn't create the Devil. God did. So God is to blame.

Adam and Eve had the will power to stop and obey Jehovah but they decided not too. They were the students and had to choose between God and the Devil. They decided to listen to the devil.

Why did God allow Satan to talk to Adam and Eve in the first place? He could have prevented this. But even if he couldn't prevent it for some reason, he still could have won over Adam and Eve. After the serpent talked to Eve, God could have come and said "Do not listen to him, it's a trick. If you eat the fruit, you and all your children will suffer. If you don't eat the fruit, you'll live in paradise forever."

But God didn't even try to counter Satan's argument, he just let Eve be duped by Satan, and then let Adam be convinced by Eve. This means that God was not a good teacher. He didn't try to teach Adam and Eve that the Devil was wrong. He told them one thing, the Devil told them something different, and God didn't even try to explain why he was right. He just punished them after they did what the Devil said.

Don't students get to practice before taking a test? Good teachers do more than just punish. If you've never spoken Spanish before and one person tells you "teléfono" is the correct way to say phone in Spanish, and the other one tells you "téléphone" is correct, and the first person doesn't say a word, is it your fault if you choose "téléphone" on the test? Should you, and all your children and children's children, be forever doomed to fail Spanish because of doing getting one thing wrong on your first attempt?

If God wasn't able to convince Adam and Eve to follow him, I don't believe it's their fault. I think we will just have to disagree about this.
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yeah it seems we will never agree...

I still very much recommend a bible study though with the Jehovah Witnesses!!

Unfortunately I canceled mine, because I wasn't going to have the same teacher anymore and I threw a fit, lol...
She was a bit disappointed in me when I told her.
She even asked me whether or not I thought Jehovah was real!

But I still recommend a bible study.
They will answer your questions a lot better than me.
And it will be fun to argue with them. I had fun arguing with them a couple of times.
Posted 12/29/2008 2:21 PM by whereisichi - recommend - reply

Hey there, thanks for being so honest. It was really interesting to hear your story so far, and I can understand the complexities involved in admitting all this stuff for the first time. I hope this won't be the end of the story though!
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